i knew how to get out of san francisco once the tour buses started. this is alice and the dead--and you could hear the microphones outside. we would just go flip them off or something. we knew we had to get out of the city. and also bad drugs and the mob and everything started coming-- >> gavin: even the mob back then, you guys-- >> oh, it was miss. >> gavin: a cut of the drugs. >> oh, big business. just local flavor back then, just local color. but once there was a market for for--for the harder drugs which we were not part of, we just got out. we didn't want any part of it. this wasn't us. it didn't help music and it destroyed humanity, everything we were against. you know we didn't want to be part of any of that. one by one, i was the first and then big ben jerry phil, bobby, we all eventually moved out. >> gavin: this new new new album was recorded in your institutes. >> i've always had a studio. i take a long time to do things. >> gavin: this was five years. >> three and a half. i had to learn the license of changing light waves and sound waves.